King of Kings Community Church in Jerusalem excommunicates an innocent visitor, falsely accuses the innocent visitor, and also refuses to justify the excommunication.

(http://www.kkcj.org)

This is a compilation of all email communications with one of the devilish churches in Jerusalem, the King of Kings Church.

There is additional information through these links:

1.      http://www.kyrkor.be/churches-in-Jerusalem.htm

2.      http://www.kyrkor.be/King-of-Kings-Church-in-Jerusalem-refuse-to-justify-their-excommunication-of-innocent-visitor.htm

3.      http://www.kyrkor.be/King-of-Kings-Community-Church-excommunicates-innocent-person.htm

4.      http://www.kyrkor.be/King-of-Kings-Ministries-Jerusalem.htm

5.      http://www.kyrkor.be/King-of-Kings-Hebrew-Congregation-in-Jerusalem.htm

6.      http://www.kyrkor.be/Kehilat-El-Roii-Church-in-Jerusalem.htm

7.      http://www.kyrkor.be/inquiry-to-Jerusalem-churches.htm

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From: torsten@nenzen.net

To: Veikko Nuoraho ; kkcj@kkcj.org

Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 6:03 PM

Subject: Why excommunication?

King of Kings Church.

Veikko Nuoraho,

You have devilishly evaded to answer my question, but instead you have permitted further satanic lies from Oded Shoshani to falsely accuse me of evasion.

You decided to excommunicate me from every meeting and activity associated with King of Kings Church.

Question: On what grounds are you excommunicating me?

Torsten Nenzen

From: torsten@nenzen.net

To: Veikko Nuoraho ; kkcj@kkcj.org

Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:07 AM

Subject: Why excommunication?

King of Kings Church.

Veikko Nuoraho,

You have devilishly evaded to answer my question, but instead you have permitted further satanic lies from Oded Shoshani to falsely accuse me of evasion.

You decided to excommunicate me from every meeting and activity associated with King of Kings Church.

Question: On what grounds are you excommunicating me?

Torsten Nenzen

From: torsten@nenzen.net

To: Veikko Nuoraho ; kkcj@kkcj.org

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:51 PM

Subject: Fw: Why excommunication?

King of Kings Church.

Veikko Nuoraho,

You have devilishly evaded to answer my question, but instead you have permitted further satanic lies from Oded Shoshani to falsely accuse me of evasion.

You decided to excommunicate me from every meeting and activity associated with King of Kings Church.

Question: On what grounds are you excommunicating me?

Torsten Nenzen

From: torsten@nenzen.net

To: Veikko Nuoraho ; kkcj@kkcj.org

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:53 PM

Subject: Why excommunication?

King of Kings Church.

Veikko Nuoraho,

You have devilishly evaded to answer my question, but instead you have permitted further satanic lies from Oded Shoshani to falsely accuse me of evasion.

You decided to excommunicate me from every meeting and activity associated with King of Kings Church.

Question: On what grounds are you excommunicating me?

Torsten Nenzen

From: torsten@nenzen.net

To: Veikko Nuoraho ; kkcj@kkcj.org

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:30 PM

Subject: Why excommunication?

King of Kings Church.

Veikko Nuoraho,

You have devilishly evaded to answer my question, but instead you have permitted further satanic lies from Oded Shoshani to falsely accuse me of evasion.

You decided to excommunicate me from every meeting and activity associated with King of Kings Church.

Question: On what grounds are you excommunicating me?

Torsten Nenzen

King of Kings Church.

Veikko Nuoraho,

You have devilishly evaded to answer my question, but instead you have permitted further satanic lies from Oded Shoshani to falsely accuse me of evasion.

You decided to excommunicate me from every meeting and activity associated with King of Kings Church.

Question: On what grounds are you excommunicating me?

Torsten Nenzen

Hello Torsten,

Here are the reasons that led Oded to say you are not welcome to the services:

Here is how the last conversation between Torsten and me developed and why at the end of that I needed to ask him not to come any more to the Hebrew congregation:

The last time I met with Torsten, on March 9, was before the Hebrew congregation's meeting. As he and I were talking I asked him about his life, and the only answer he gave was that he has an apartment in Sweden. I tried to understand more what he is doing in his life and was answered evasively. This was not a regular conversation between 2 people in the street. This was a conversation between Torsten and me, as the Pastor of a congregation Torsten was trying to attend with a clear intention of finding a local wife. I asked him about his plan to marry a local believer and explained that we had in the past bad experiences with men going after women with various pretexts that turned to be bad experiences. In this context of the conversation I asked him why he was excommunicated from churches in Sweden, in the USA and Canada. To this Torsten refused to answer saying all the info was in his blog. Again I explained that when you google his name other sources, besides his own blog, come up with more information. Again I asked Torsten to explain his personal view why he was excommunicated. Again Torsten refused to answer, accusing me of not being prepared for the meeting with him. Only then Torsten began to write his memo of our conversation, clearly failing to remind the above context in his blog.

In this context, of a visiting person clearly stating that he wants to marry a local believer from our congregation, being asked by the Pastor of the congregation simple and clear questions, giving him the opportunity to respond for his previous excommunications, Torsten persistently refused to answer using evasive statements. There was more to the conversation later but the above describes Torsten's attitude towards authority.

Describing the above, Torsten left me with no possibility but to tell him that his presence was not welcomed in our midst.

Oded Shoshani

King of Kings Church.

You decided to excommunicate me from every meeting and activity associated with King of Kings Church. On what grounds are you excommunicating me? Why are you refusing to present the reasons why you are excommunicating me?

Torsten Nenzen

King of Kings Church.

You decided to excommunicate me from every meeting and activity associated with King of Kings Church. On what grounds are you excommunicating me? Why are you refusing to present the reasons why you are excommunicating me?

Torsten Nenzen

King of Kings Church.

Veikko.

You decided to excommunicate me from every meeting and activity associated with King of Kings Church. On what grounds are you excommunicating me?

Torsten Nenzen

Veikko,

You decided to excommunicate me from all activities of your King of Kings Church. Therefore, I would firstly like to see your reasons for excommunicating me. Secondly, if you have no reason to excommunicate me, then I would like to see that you repent from your decision to excommunicate me.

Torsten

Torsten,

What would you like to see happen?

Veikko

Veikko Nuoraho,

In which way do you want to resolve your decision to excommunicate me from all activities of your King of Kings Church?

Torsten Nenzen

Veikko Nuoraho,

In which way do you want to resolve your decision to excommunicate me from all activities of your King of Kings Church?

Torsten Nenzen

Torsten,

It has come to my attention that you are not currently welcome to participate in the Hebrew services at King of Kings Community. We have a practice that these kind of decisions do automatically apply also to all the activities at King of Kings including the Prayer Tower.

If you want to resolve the situation, please contact me.

Veikko Nuoraho
Executive Pastor
King of Kings Community, Jerusalem

You're still welcome to pray with us.

Sandy

Sandy Shoshani.

Hi.

Your husband Oded Shoshani, who is pastor of Hebrew Congrgation in KKCJ, excommunicated from his church yesterday, on Friday March 9. The past weeks I have attended the Monday prayers for Be'ad Chaim and Lilach. Because of the recent excommunication by your husband, I would like to know if also you now view my presence as undesired on the Monday prayers at Be'ad Chaim and Lilach.

To cite your husband exactly, as I wrote down his words directly while listening to him, he declared on March 9: "Your presence is really not pleasant. I don't want you to come here."

Is my presence at the Monday prayers also unpleasant, and am I now also not welcome at Be'ad Chaim / Lilach?

Torsten Nenzen

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King of Kings Hebrew Congregation in Jerusalem formally excommunicates Torsten Nenzen on March 9, 2012.

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Hello Oded.

I visited your church this Friday afternoon. Which topics did you want to discuss, and what did you want to tell me?

Torsten Nenzen

ShalomTorsten

I hope that you are doing well.

As you may know Veikko and I are Pastors in King of Kings.

As a pastor of the Hebrew congregation I wanted to meet with you in person to talk re some of the topics you started talking with Veikko.

If possible, I will see you tomorow during the Hebrew congregation and we can talk.

Blessings

Oded

Hi.

It sounds that you want to say something to me. What is the message that you want to speak at me?

It sound by the phrase "re your participation in the Hebrew meetings" that this Oded-person wants to excommunicate me from his congregation. What does he want?

Torsten

Hi

Like I said we need to finish our conversation and Oded said he wants to talk with you re your participation in the Hebrew meetings.

Would you have any time tomorrow?

Veikko

Hello Veikko.

I am in Tel Aviv this Tuesday and Wednesday for evangelism together with an Israeli group, and therefore I cannot meet you.

What do you want to talk about?

Torsten

Shalom,

I know our conversation was left in a bit open situation. I would like to meet with you and talk about that and other things as well with our Hebrew Congregation pastor Oded Shoshani. Can you meet some time Wednesday or Thursday in between 9 and 3?

Veikko

Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:11:37 +0200

From: torsten@nenzen.net nenzen@nenzen.org

To: Veikko Nuoraho vnuoraho@kkcj.org

Subject: Re: Meetings

Veikko Nuoraho,

Of course you may conduct yourself and the businesses of your church in any manner that you like, but I will hold you accountable before God, and before man who observes my observances.

Just out of curiosity, is the King of Kings the largest group of church-congregants in Jerusalem? How many members? How many attendants on an average Sunday?

Torsten Nenzen

Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:42:58 +0200

From: Veikko Nuoraho vnuoraho@kkcj.org

To: torsten@nenzen.net

Subject: Re: Meetings

Shalom Torsten,

This is what I mean.

When you have a non regular person standing on center stage where people flow in and trying to talk to lots of people and smiling at them, it concerns me and others, that is why the terminology in use disruptive.

If hope this clears my intentions.

Veikko Nuoraho

King of Kings Ministries

Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:26:52 +0200

From: torsten@nenzen.net nenzen@nenzen.org

To: Veikko Nuoraho vnuoraho@kkcj.org

Subject: Re: Meetings

Veikko Nuoraho,

I wrote to you for an explanation to your statement to me when you approached me where I was standing, five meters from the entrance to your auditorium, saying “It looks disruptive when you stand here and have eye contact with people.”

Can you please explain your statement. What was your intention with this statement? What did you mean with this statement?

Torsten Nenzen

Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:15:45 +0200

From: Veikko Nuoraho vnuoraho@kkcj.org

To: torsten@nenzen.net

Subject: Re: Re: Meetings

Shalom Torsten,

Was nice meeting and talking to you today the first time.

You said today you would submit to our leadership and made your intentions clear. I like that.

As answers to your questions:

We have a welcome team of our own welcoming people by the entrance in the lobby. It looked like you are one of those that welcome people at the lobby.

I asked first if you were waiting for a specific person and when you said no, then I asked you to move from the center incoming area. If you know how to submit this is part of that. We have certain way we shepherd our people and when you say you want to be here to meet ladies and find a wife from Israel, we encourage you to fellowship with ladies of your own age. These are my honest intentions.

Blessings to you,

Veikko Nuoraho

King of Kings Ministries

Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:32:32 +0200

From: torsten@nenzen.net nenzen@nenzen.org

To: Veikko Nuoraho vnuoraho@kkcj.org

Subject: Fwd: Re: Meetings

Executive Pastor Veikko Nuoraho.

You stated on Sunday evening to me “It looks disruptive when you stand here and have eye contact with people.”, suggesting that I should move. Can you please explain and expand your statement. Why did you speak those words? What was your intention?

Torsten Nenzen

Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:58:13 +0200

From: torsten@nenzen.net nenzen@nenzen.org

To: Veikko Nuoraho vnuoraho@kkcj.org

Subject: Re: Meetings

Dear Veikko Nuoraho,

Shalom.

Yes, I have visited several services of the King of Kings congregation. I also tried to visit your Young Adults service last evening, but your leader (Jeremy, or Jamie?) requested verbally (accompanied with an upward tilting motion of his chin and dark pupils) that I should not participate in your Young Adults service with the motivation that I looked to be older than 35 years. These non-verbal signals do speak volumes.

Besides the 5 pm Sunday service, Veikko, are there opportunities to socialize with church-persons in conjunction with any services or scheduled church-activities? If so, which are the activities that KoK recommends?

Best regards,

Torsten Nenzen

Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 02:02:00 -0600

From: Veikko Nuoraho vnuoraho@kkcj.org

To: torsten@nenzen.net

Subject: Meetings

Torsten, Shalom,

We meet on Sundays at 5 pm. I believe you have already come to some of the meetings on Sundays at King of Kings.

We do not have meetings for singles,sorry.

Veikko Nuoraho

Executive Pastor

Kings of Kings Community

Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:02:04 +0200

From: torsten@nenzen.net nenzen@nenzen.org

To: King of Kings Ministries, Jerusalem kkcj@kkcj.org

Subject: Re:

King of Kings Ministries.

Hello.

I am a single man visiting in Israel for some time. I seek a Christian or Messianic community where I also can connect with other singles.

Where and when are there meetings for people in your congregation?

Regards,

Torsten Nenzen

Email: torsten@nenzen.net

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