2016-10-01

A typically devilish church, the USA based “Saddleback Church” in Berlin, Germany, explicitly excommunicated an innocent Christian. The unwelcomed, banished and persecuted Christian is absolutely innocent in relation to each excommunication by all churches worldwide, and is absolutely innocent also to this particular church in Berlin. Saddleback Church indirectly acknowledged that God and truth are irrelevant, in comparison to Saddleback’s ministry alliances.

http://saddleback.com/visit/locations/berlin

http://www.kyrkor.be/Inhumane_Swedish_Pastors.pdf

The “Saddleback Church” in Berlin, Germany, explicitly excommunicated a Christian who is absolutely innocent in relation to this particular church, and who is absolutely innocent in relation all the other thousands of churches worldwide who have excommunicated/banished/evicted/persecuted the same innocent Christian. Similar to other devilish pastors and devilish priests of churches globally who have refused to welcome the innocent Christian person Torsten, also this typical church excommunicated.

Saddleback Church (currently the 7^th largest megachurch in USA founded by Rick Warren) in Berlin, Germany, excommunicated the absolutely innocent Christian visitor Torsten from attendance at all Saddleback “services” and all Saddleback “meetings”. As a typical church, Saddleback absolutely refused to provide a reality-based or Biblical reason for their banishment against innocent Torsten, but Saddleback did indirectly acknowledge that Saddleback prioritises its alliances to their “ministry partners” who also have banished Torsten without a justifiable reason. Saddlback refused to specify who their ministry partners are, but acknowledged that Torsten had “carefully documented” with evidence the unjustifiable evils committed against Torsten by Saddleback’s ministry allies. Saddleback indirectly acknowledged that God and truth are irrelevant, in comparison to Saddleback’s ministry allegiances. As a typical church, Saddleback is an adversary to facts, evidence, truth, justice, love and God. Satan governs Saddleback in Berlin.

One of several distinctions of devilish pastors of churches is an obsession to persecute God’s people, and to never repent. Satan is incapable of repentance, and so also are devilish pastors of churches incapable to repent from their obsessive persecution against God’s people.

Of all societal institutions in nations of Western civilisation, churchianity is the pinnacle of hypocrisy. The typically inhumane, falsely accusing, lying and manipulative pastors of churches are epitomes of such churchianity hypocrisy. In practice, satan is their nature.

Nearly all pastors of all churches on earth where Torsten has visited or communicated have sought to hinder Christian friendships, hinder Christian relationships and especially prevent a Christian marriage. The vast majority of pastors of churches on earth have done the will of satan in this.

The email dialogue with the USA based Saddleback Church in Berlin, Germany, is read chronologically beneath in ascending order, with the most recent email at the top:

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Saddleback Church Berlin.

“Pastor” Dave Schnitter,

You can be successful in deceiving your congregation and your ministry allies with your lies, but for the discerning and intellectually inclined non-churchianity people who care about truth, you fail to deceive with your lies. You are incapable of fooling all people with your falsehood and deception, as non-churchianity people will be more loyal to facts.

You acknowledged yourself that I had “carefully documented” the evils of your ministry allies (who you refused to identify) with accurate facts and evidence. In spite that you had read/listened to the presented evidence against your ministry partners’ unjustifiable evils and persecution against me, and your ministry partners' subsequent sins against God, you chose (as clearly predicted by your initial unsubscription and your absolute refusal to welcome when asked directly on three separate occasions) to side with your allied persecutors of satan against Torsten, instead of siding with God and truth.

You have demonstrated that you are akin to satan, in your excommunication against a Christian who is absolutely innocent in relation to your religious sect, and who is absolutely innocent in relation to all churches on earth.

Regards,

Torsten Nenzen

Torsten,

We will not dignify the rude accusations in your email with an answer. This is my last email to you. I will not respond to any future emails. Because of your disrepectful and inappropriate attitude, you are no longer welcome at Saddleback and should stay away from our services and meetings.

Dave

Saddleback Church Berlin.

Hello “pastor” Dave Schnitter,

For any person of intellect and discernment, it should seem convincing and clear that the reason for your unsubscription to my general inquiry of fellowship, and your refusal to respond to my direct inquiry of fellowship, is that your highest priority is your loyalty to your ministry partners and your wallet. As it clearly seems, God and truth are low priorities for you. If your priorities had been God and truth, then you would instead have contacted your ministry partners and rebuked them, and furthermore dissociated from them as unrepentant sinners against God, which they still are.

You acknowledge that I have “carefully documented” my experiences with your ministry partners, and through this careful documentation anyone can read or hear the evidence of your ministry partners’ ignorance, malice, and evil.

(1) Who are your ministry partners?

(2) Specifically, what is your question regarding the evils committed by your ministry partners?

Regards,

Torsten Nenzen

Dear Torsten,

thank you for writing.

It is important to me that we meet because your track record is raising some questions that we would need to discuss first before talking about fellowship groups or anything else. I found your website on the internet on which you carefully documented your experiences in previous churches, some of which are our friends and ministry partners. Furthermore, the tone in your latest email suggests to me that your intentions aren’t pure. That’s why it’s best if we continue this conversation in person, not via email.

Torsten, I want to open the door to an honest face-to-face conversation to avoid confusions and misunderstandings. If, however, you refuse to meet, I’m afraid it would no longer be appropriate for you to attend Saddleback.

Dave

Dear Mr. Dave Schnitter,

Thanks for finally replying.

In your reply you asked: “I’d like to meet you for a coffee sometime this week and get to know you. Would you be open to that?”

Mr. Schnitter, I did not ask to sit and chat with you. I asked you: “Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also youngish adult Christians gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church where to also develop friendships?”. But you chose to not answer those questions.

Please answer those two questions, to begin.

Additionally, please provide a truthful explanation to why you unsubscribed to a general inquiry to your church, and why you also ignored three additional direct inquiries to Saddleback Church Berlin.

On September 17, 2016, your email address dave@saddleback.de was registered as unsubscribed from what I believe was a general inquiry to churches in Berlin for Christian fellowship. Attached is a screen clip as proof of your unsubscription. Your decision to unsubscribe to an inquiry is an active decision or a deliberate act.

This was the general email sent to dave@saddleback.de:

Church in Berlin.

Hi.

I am a Christian. I seek a Christian community in Berlin with surroundings where there would be opportunity to fellowship and socialise with Christian people; including with Christian singles.

Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also youngish adult Christians gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church where to also develop friendships?

Best regards,

Torsten Nenzén

torsten@nenzen.net

After you had received and unsubscribed to the above general inquiry to several Berlin churches, you had also received to Saddleback Church Berlin, via dave@saddleback.de, three additional emails directed specifically to Saddleback Church Berlin. You received those three emails on Sept.17, Sept.21 and Sept.24. You decided to not respond to any of those three emails directed specifically to you.

This was the specific email sent to dave@saddleback.de:

Saddleback Church Berlin.

Hi.

I am a Christian, now staying here in Berlin.

I seek a Christian community in Berlin with surroundings where there is opportunity to fellowship and socialise, also, with Christian singles.

Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also youngish adult Christians gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church where to also develop friendships?

Best regards,

Torsten Nenzén

torsten@nenzen.net

On Sunday September 25, 2016, I visited your church building.

In summary, Mr. Schnitter, please explain why you want to sit and chat with me, and why have persistently evaded to answer my questions to you.

Please answer my initial two questions.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Torsten Nenzen

Hi Thorsten, thanks for writing again. Did you see the email I sent last night?

Thanks for writing to me. Even though I’m unable to respond at the moment, your note is important to me, so I’ve asked my team to respond to you personally.

Thank you again. May God bless you today.

Rick

Rick Warren

Saddleback Church

Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan

Saddleback Church Berlin.

Hi.

I am a Christian, now staying here in Berlin.

I seek a Christian community in Berlin with surroundings where there is opportunity to fellowship and socialise, also, with Christian singles.

Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also youngish adult Christians gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church where to also develop friendships?

Best regards,

Torsten Nenzén

torsten@nenzen.net

Dear Torsten,

thank you for reaching out to us and for coming to Saddleback today. I’m sorry I didn’t have a chance to speak to you apart from saying hi only briefly. But I was glad to see some of our members connecting with you. I hope you enjoyed the service today?

I’d like to meet you for a coffee sometime this week and get to know you. Would you be open to that? Are you free anytime this week?

God bless.

Dave

(Pastor, Saddleback Berlin)

·        Torsten filled out Saddleback’s welcome card and submitted the card in their collection basked, as instructed: http://www.kyrkor.be/Saddleback-Berlin-welcome-card-160925.jpg

Thanks for writing to me. Even though I’m unable to respond at the moment, your note is important to me, so I’ve asked my team to respond to you personally.

Thank you again. May God bless you today.

Rick

Rick Warren

Saddleback Church

Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan

Saddleback Church Berlin.

Hi.

I am a Christian, now staying here in Berlin.

I seek a Christian community in Berlin with surroundings where there is opportunity to fellowship and socialise, also, with Christian singles.

Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also youngish adult Christians gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church where to also develop friendships?

Best regards,

Torsten Nenzén

torsten@nenzen.net

Thanks for writing to me. Even though I’m unable to respond at the moment, your note is important to me, so I’ve asked my team to respond to you personally.

Thank you again. May God bless you today.

Rick

Rick Warren

Saddleback Church

Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan

Saddleback Church Berlin.

Hi.

I am a Christian, now staying here in Berlin.

I seek a Christian community in Berlin with surroundings where there is opportunity to fellowship and socialise, also, with Christian singles.

Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also youngish adult Christians gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church where to also develop friendships?

Best regards,

Torsten Nenzén

torsten@nenzen.net

Thanks for writing to me. Even though I’m unable to respond at the moment, your note is important to me, so I’ve asked my team to respond to you personally.

Thank you again. May God bless you today.

Rick

Rick Warren

Saddleback Church

Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan

Saddleback Church Berlin.

Hi.

I am a Christian, now staying here in Berlin.

I seek a Christian community in Berlin with surroundings where there is opportunity to fellowship and socialise, also, with Christian singles.

Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also youngish adult Christians gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church where to also develop friendships?

Best regards,

Torsten Nenzén

torsten@nenzen.net

·        Pastor Dave Schnitter unsubscribed: http://www.kyrkor.be/Dave-Schnitter-unsubscribe-160917.JPG

·        Saddleback Berlin office unsubscribed: http://www.kyrkor.be/kontakt@saddleback.de-unsubscribe-160916.JPG

Church in Berlin.

Hi.

I am a Christian. I seek a Christian community in Berlin with surroundings where there would be opportunity to fellowship and socialise with Christian people; including with Christian singles.

Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also youngish adult Christians gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church where to also develop friendships?

Best regards,

Torsten Nenzén

torsten@nenzen.net