2018-06-09

 

 

A typically satanic church “Pattaya International Church”, in Pattaya, Thailand, evicted and explicitly banished an innocent Christian from attendance at their church, because the innocent Christian is a real Christian. When innocent Torsten orally inquired why their church had evicted and banished Torsten, their church Deacon shouted with disgust at Torsten the words Because you’re an idiot!. Pattaya International Church continually refuses to provide any factual reason for their eviction and ban. The unwelcomed, banished and persecuted Christian person Torsten is absolutely innocent in relation to each banishment by all churches worldwide, is absolutely innocent in relation to the unwelcoming and persecuting churches in Thailand, and is absolutely innocent also to this particular satanic church. This typically satanic church indirectly acknowledges through their assaultive eviction and explicit ban against innocent Torsten that facts, evidence, truth, justice, love, Biblical praxis and God are irrelevant.

http://www.pattayainternationalchurch.org

https://youngadultsministryblog.wordpress.com

http://kyrkor.be/Pattaya-International-Church_Thailand.htm

http://www.kyrkor.be/Inhumane_Swedish_Pastors.pdf

 

 

 

 

The typically satanic church “Pattaya International Church” in Pattaya, Thailand, evicted and explicitly banished a Christian who is absolutely innocent in relation to this particular satanic church, and who is absolutely innocent in relation all the other thousands of satanic churches worldwide who also have excommunicated / banished / evicted / assaulted / slandered / lied / persecuted the same innocent Christian.

 

Similar to other churches in Thailand, and comparable to other satanic pastors and devilish priests of churches globally who have refused to welcome the innocent Christian person Torsten, also this typically satanic church decided to explicitly ban and evict Torsten.

 

Previously, when innocent Torsten repeatedly contacted this typically devilish church in Thailand by email, inquiring of opportunity to fellowship, and also visited to their church building on three separate Sundays, the typically devilish pastor and leaders prevented Torsten from fellowship, in effect as a covert banishment. Because the typically satanic pastor subsequently refused to answer any email requesting that the church would provide a factual and Biblical reason for their covert banishment of innocent Torsten, Torsten decided to visit their church on a fourth Sunday. On the fourth Sunday visit, innocent Torsten equipped himself with an audio recorder to collect evidence of their covert ban. On the fourth Sunday, the church leaders had decided to be more overt in relation to their previously covert ban, and the church therefore evicted and banned innocent Torsten explicitly.

 

On the fourth Sunday of visiting Pattaya International Church, when innocent Torsten orally inquired why their church had decided to evict and explicitly banish Torsten, their church Deacon shouted with disgust at Torsten the words Because you’re an idiot!. The rationale presented by this typical church, for this church’s assaultive eviction and explicit ban of innocent Torsten, is that Torsten is an idiot: http://www.kyrkor.be/Pattaya_International_Church_rationale_for_eviction-ban.mp3

 

On Sunday March 25, 2018, innocent Torsten arrived to Pattaya International Church by moped on the public road, and dismounted the moped onto public road 20 meters further away from the church property entrance. Torsten initiated an audio recording on his mobile phone, and then walked towards the church property entrance of Pattaya International Church. Torsten entered the driveway of the church property, walked towards the church building door, opened the door, took one step inside, and shut the door behind himself. Torsten stood at the back of the church for two seconds, eyeballed the room for one second, and immediately identified the South African pastor, Daniel Krynauw, sitting in the front row. The churchianity-Pastor, Daniel Krynauw, turned his neck and saw Torsten. Daniel Krynauw then promptly stood up and walked towards Torsten. When Daniel Krynauw stood in front of Torsten, the following words were spoken:

 

Audio recording and transcript from Torsten’s first entry into Pattaya International Church on Sunday, March 25, 2018:

http://www.kyrkor.be/Pattaya_International_Church_enrty1_180325.mp3

 

DANIEL KRYNAUW:    Hello.

TORSTEN:    Hello.

DANIEL KRYNAUW:    Are you Torsten?

TORSTEN:    Yes, I am.

DANIEL KRYNAUW:    Ok, are you coming in peace?

TORSTEN:    I don’t know? What’s the reason why you have decided to ban [me]?

DANIEL KRYNAUW:    Why are you plaguing me all the time with your emails?

TORSTEN:    I am asking you a simple question. [?]

DANIEL KRYNAUW:    You can sit there but please don’t cause any trouble, ok.

TORSTEN:    You’re pushing my shoulder.

 

The South African pastor, Daniel Krynauw, looked at Torsten with unfriendly eyes during the brief conversation. Daniel Krynauw pointed to an empty chair near Torsten in the last row of chairs, and he then pushed his hand against Torsten’s shoulder in direction towards that chair. The manner and magnitude of executed force of the push, was unfriendly and provocative. The style of the pastor’s push of Torsten is uncivil. Such pushing might be expected of a harsh dog-owner who physically directs a dog, but it is unacceptable in civilised society. In context of human law, the pastor’s push against Torsten is an act of unlawful physical assault. The pastor Daniel Krynauw walked away from Torsten, and hence Torsten immediately walked out the door, and left their church building. Torsten walked off the church property.

 

Torsten seated himself on a public bench along the public road outside the church property, and there spoke with a typically friendly non-Christian Thai man. Twenty minutes later, Torsten prepared for a second entry of their church property and church building. Torsten initiated audio recording number two, walked onto the church property, opened the church door, stepped inside, and closed the door behind him. A man immediately walked towards Torsten, the man opened the door, and the man indicated with his hand that Torsten must follow the man outside. Torsten promptly followed the man outside. The man closed the door to his church. The man turned out to be an anonymous Deacon of the church, and the following words were spoken:

 

Audio recording and transcript from Torsten’s second entry into Pattaya International Church on Sunday, March 25, 2018:

http://www.kyrkor.be/Pattaya_International_Church_enrty2_180325.mp3

 

TORSTEN:    Yes?

TORSTEN:    You asked me to come outside.

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    Yeah.

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    I understand that you cause problems in churches.

TORSTEN:    Ok. What problems?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    I don’t know. I can only go by what I’ve seen on the computer.

TORSTEN:    Ok. What have you seen on the computer?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    I’ve seen enough that I don’t think this is the right place for you.

TORSTEN:    Ok. And what sort of things have I done?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    I don’t think I need to explain anything to you. You know what you do.

TORSTEN:    What am I guilty of?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    You know what you’re guilty of.

TORSTEN:    Oh. Ok. Do you know what I’m guilty of?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    I know that whatever you are guilty of is not a good thing for us to have.

TORSTEN:    And whatever is that?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    Uh. Things like, uhh … Attacking the churches!?

TORSTEN:    Attacking? In what way?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    Listen, I’m not gonna get into an argument with you. Leave! Don’t come here!

TORSTEN:    Who are you by the way?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    Don’t stay!

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    I’m one of the Deacons of the church.

TORSTEN:    What’s your name?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    You don’t need to know my name.

TORSTEN:    Ok.

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    You only need to know that you are not welcome.

TORSTEN:    I just see hatred in your eyes.

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    You don’t have hatred my friend. But what you do have is disgust.

TORSTEN:    Ok.

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    OK?

TORSTEN:    Yup. Disgust.

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    That’s what you see.

TORSTEN:    Disgust/hatred. Yup.

TORSTEN:    Why are you disgusted?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    Listen, I’m not gonna discuss this with you. I’m not gonna talk with you. Just, you’re not welcome in here.

TORSTEN:    Why am I not welcome?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    Because you’re an idiot!!

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    Leave, please.

TORSTEN:    Why do you call me an idiot?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    Enough with you. Don’t come back in here!

TORSTEN:    What happens …?

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    Don’t come … . I’ll call the police.

TORSTEN:    Go ahead.

ANONYMOUS DEACON:    There you go.

TORSTEN:    Thank you.

 

Besides a spiritually demonic component of many pastors of churches, the persecuting behaviours of these typically evil pastors of churches worldwide are explainable, in part, simply by the pastors’ human carnal instinct of denial; to deny truth when they are wrong. Two ways for the pastors of churches to continue their denials and to continue their evasion of ethically necessary adjustment of their evil and persecuting behaviours [repentance away from their invented lies and their denials, and repentance towards facts, evidence, truth, love, Biblical doctrine and Biblical praxis], are: (1) to reinforce their previous lies with continued fabrication of new lies, and (2) to refuse communication with the victims of their incessant pastoral lies, and to refuse communication with anyone who does not affirm their pastoral lies or who does not affirm their persecuting behaviours. This is tragicomical behaviour by the pastors of churches globally. It is tragic behaviour, because of the immense harm caused by these typical ultra-hypocritical pastors of churches, in relaying into future not only a deserved public disdain of all professional churches, but of utmost tragedy is relaying into future also a misguided public distrust of Biblical Christianity. It is of course contemporaneously tragic also for the absolutely innocent victim, Torsten, who during decades suffers deep grief from all the churches’ never-ceasing lies, persecutions and their hindrances of any Godly appointed marriage. But, it is also comical behaviour, because discerning persons of any religious affiliation or of secular preference, can with mere logic and intellect identify the church pastors' futile denials and evidenced lies. Satan, who is the father of lies (John 8:44) can never repent, and therefore, it is reasonable to expect that also the majority of these typically lying, persecuting and evil pastors of churches worldwide will never repent either.

 

One of several distinctions of devilish pastors of churches is an obsession to persecute God’s people, and to never repent. Satan is incapable of repentance, and therefore, also the devilish pastors of churches are incapable to repent from their obsessive persecution against God’s people.

 

Of all societal institutions in nations of Western civilisation, churchianity is the pinnacle of hypocrisy. The typically inhumane, falsely accusing, lying and manipulative pastors of churches are epitomes of such churchianity hypocrisy. In practice, satan is their nature.

 

Nearly all pastors of all churches on earth where Torsten has visited or communicated have sought to hinder Christian friendships, hinder Christian relationships and especially prevent a Christian marriage. The vast majority of pastors of churches on earth have done the will of satan in this.

 

True worship is more than preacher monologues at Sunday masquerades. True spiritual worship aims at living a Jesus-conforming life which is holy and pleasing to God, and comprises all aspects of a person’s life, all days of the week.

 

·         “Offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God - this is your true and proper worship.”  (Romans 12:1)

·         Supply the needs of the saints. Love in action.  (Romans 12:13)

·         Be devoted to one another in love. Love must be sincere; without hypocrisy.  (Romans 12:9-10)

·         Live in harmony with one another.  (Romans 12: 16)

 

One of the responsibilities of church is to serve one another. The duty to serve one another is limited by capability. The obligation to serve, however, is independent of willingness to serve. Serving one another in love is the moral duty of every disciple of Jesus Christ - limited by capacity but independent of will. Followers of Jesus Christ are to serve each other. God seeks servant leadership.

 

·         Each Christian should serve his neighbour.  (Romans 15: 2)

·         Serve one another in love. The entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.”  (Galatians 5:13, 14)

·         If you have love for one another, then everyone will know that you are disciples of Jesus.  (John 13:35)

·         ”Whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant”  (Matthew 20:25-28)

 

The majority of professional pastors of churches, everywhere, are unwilling to help his neighbour. Instead, the majority of pastors of churches invent lies, falsely accuse, slander, defame, gossip and persecute the innocently evicted/excommunicated Christian person Torsten.

 

·         Absence of human compassion (and satanic persecution) is not sanctioned by God.  (Luke 10: 25-37).

·         “Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act.”  (Proverbs 3:27)

·         Do not accuse anyone for no reason when they have done you no harm.  (Proverbs 3:30)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The email dialogue with the satanic ‘Pattaya International Church’ in Pattaya, Thailand, is read chronologically beneath in ascending order, with the most recent email at the top:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Sat, 9 Jun 2018 12:51:08 +0700

From:

Sweden is satanic. <info@Sweden-is-satanic.com>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church EXPLICITLY banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Wed, 23 May 2018 13:43:58 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church EXPLICITLY banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Sun, 13 May 2018 15:20:24 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church EXPLICITLY banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Fri, 27 Apr 2018 14:32:46 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church EXPLICITLY banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Sat, 31 Mar 2018 16:32:32 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church EXPLICITLY banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Fri, 30 Mar 2018 13:21:17 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church EXPLICITLY banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Thu, 29 Mar 2018 12:31:40 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church EXPLICITLY banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:39:55 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church EXPLICITLY banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Tue, 27 Mar 2018 12:22:38 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church EXPLICITLY banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:35:12 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church EXPLICITLY banished innocent Torsten?

 

Pattaya International Church.

 

Hello South African Pastor Daniel Krynauw,

 

On Sunday March 25, 2018, you physically assaulted me with your demeaning and provocative push of your hand against my shoulder. Your church transformed your previously covert banishment against me into an explicit banishment against me. Your church Deacon evicted me from your church building. Your church Deacon also threatened to call the Police if I would ever visit your so-called church again.

 

QUESTIONS:

1.   Why have you and your church explicitly banished me from attendance at your church?

2.   What specific sin, immorality or wrongdoing do you accuse against me, justifying your explicit excommunication/banishment?

3.   Why did you not answer my oral question to you (“What’s the reason why you have decided to ban [me]?) in our brief conversation inside your church building on Sunday March 25, 2018?

4.   Why did you look at me with unfriendly and hostile eyes in our brief conversation inside your church building on Sunday March 25, 2018?

5.   Why did you decide to physically assault me with an unfriendly, provocative and directive push of your hand in conjunction with the brief conversation inside your church building on Sunday March 25, 2018?

6.   Why did your church evict me from your church building?

7.   Why did your church Deacon look at me with hatred/disgust in his eyes?

8.   Why did your church Deacon loudly exclaim at me “You’re an idiot!!” when I simply asked your church Deacon why I am not welcome?

9.   Why did your church threaten me that your church will call the Police if I would ever try to visit your church again?

 

Regards,

 

Torsten Nenzen

torten@nenzen.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:03:01 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Fri, 23 Mar 2018 17:59:04 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:52:31 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Wed, 21 Mar 2018 22:20:17 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Tue, 20 Mar 2018 20:01:25 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:01:49 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:02:32 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:02:53 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:50:29 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:38:48 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Pattaya International Church.

 

Hello Daniel Krynauw,

 

QUESTIONS: Why have you covertly banished me from fellowship? What specific sin, immorality or wrongdoing do you accuse against me, justifying your covert excommunication/banishment?

 

Regards,

 

Torsten Nenzen

torten@nenzen.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:20:17 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Tue, 13 Feb 2018 05:31:27 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:31:12 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Why has Pattaya International Church covertly banished innocent Torsten?

 

Pattaya International Church.

 

Hello Daniel Krynauw,

 

You have daily received my question to you, if you are going to welcome me to fellowship. By evidence of your decision to refuse to welcome me, in your declining of provision of minimum required information which is necessary to facilitate access to any fellowship/social gathering, it is within rational assumption that you have decided to act like a typical South African pastor, and as a typical pastor anywhere, by covertly banishing a person who is absolutely innocent in relation to your church.

 

It is difficult to not interpret your refusal to welcome me to any fellowship/social gathering, as that you have decided to covertly banish me from fellowship/social gatherings of your Pattaya International Church.

 

QUESTIONS: Why have you covertly banished me? What specific sin, immorality or wrongdoing do you accuse against me, justifying your covert excommunication/banishment?

 

Regards,

 

Torsten Nenzen

torten@nenzen.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Sat, 10 Feb 2018 12:55:30 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Is Pattaya International Church covertly banishing innocent Torsten?

 

Date:

Fri, 9 Feb 2018 12:40:20 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Is Pattaya International Church covertly banishing innocent Torsten?

 

Pattaya International Church.

 

Hello Daniel Krynauw,

 

During the past seven days, you have daily received my question to you, if you are going to welcome me to fellowship. You decided to refuse to welcome me, by refraining to provide the minimum required information which is necessary to facilitate access to any fellowship/social gathering.

 

You were asked to provide to me the following most basic necessary information:

(1) Date and time of fellowship/social gathering.

(2) Exact location of fellowship/social gathering.

(3) Contact information to the "leader/organiser" of fellowship/social gathering.

 

It is difficult to not interpret your refusal to welcome me to any fellowship/social gathering, as that you have decided to covertly banish me from any fellowship/social gatherings of your Pattaya International Church.

 

Have you too, similar to the vast majority of clergy of all other churches worldwide, decided to banish me from fellowship?  If so, please explain why.

 

Regards,

 

Torsten Nenzen

torten@nenzen.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Thu, 8 Feb 2018 15:41:15 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Fwd: Fellowship for younger career adult Christians ?

 

Date:

Wed, 7 Feb 2018 14:26:35 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Fellowship for younger career adult Christians ?

 

Date:

Tue, 6 Feb 2018 11:22:38 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Fellowship for younger career adult Christians ?

 

Date:

Mon, 5 Feb 2018 11:50:06 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Fellowship for younger career adult Christians ?

 

Date:

Sun, 4 Feb 2018 00:35:28 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Fellowship for younger career adult Christians ?

 

Date:

Sat, 3 Feb 2018 13:54:57 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org, Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Fellowship for younger career adult Christians ?

 

Pattaya International Church.

 

Hello Daniel Krynauw,

 

On your website (https://youngadultsministryblog.wordpress.com) there is no information regarding fellowship or social occasions.

 

On your website (http://www.pattayainternationalchurch.org/Services.html) there is no further information regarding fellowship or social occasions.

 

Please provide to me the most basic necessary information:

(1) Date and time of fellowship/social gathering.

(2) Exact location of fellowship/social gathering.

(3) Contact information to the "leader/organiser" of fellowship/social gathering.

 

Are you going to welcome me to fellowship, or are you intending to banish me from fellowship like all other churches?

 

Kind regards,

 

Torsten Nenzen

torten@nenzen.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Fri, 2 Feb 2018 17:47:30 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Fellowship for younger career adult Christians ?

 

Pattaya International Church.

 

Hello Daniel Krynauw,

 

Thanks for your email reply.

 

On your website (https://youngadultsministryblog.wordpress.com) there is no information regarding fellowship or social occasions.

 

On your website (http://www.pattayainternationalchurch.org/Services.html) there is no further information regarding fellowship or social occasions.

 

Please provide to me the most basic necessary information:

(1) Date and time of fellowship/social gathering.

(2) Exact location of fellowship/social gathering.

(3) Contact information to the "leader/organiser" of fellowship/social gathering.

 

Kind regards,

 

Torsten Nenzen

torten@nenzen.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Fri, 2 Feb 2018 14:28:02 +0700

From:

Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

To:

Tor N <torsten@nenzen.net>

Subject:

Pattaya International Church

 

Torsten,

 

I have already responded to this (now repeated) enquiry on 3 December 2017 - attached hereunder.

 

Daniel Krynauw

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Fri, 2 Feb 2018 13:45:51 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>, Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org

Subject:

Fellowship for younger career adult Christians ?

 

Pattaya International Church.

 

Hi.

 

I am a Christian, now staying here in Chonburi and Pattaya.

 

I seek a Christian community in Pattaya / Chonburi where there is opportunity to fellowship and socialise. As I am single, I would like to develop friendships, also, with other Christian singles.

 

Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also younger career adult Christians gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church where to also develop friendships?

 

When and where do you meet on Sundays?

 

Best regards,

 

Torsten Nenzén

torsten@nenzen.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Mon, 4 Dec 2017 06:25:56 +0700

From:

Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

To:

Tor N <torsten@nenzen.net>

Subject:

With blessings.

 

Dear Torsten:

 

May the Lord bless and guide you.

 

Trust, serve and obey Him within the boundaries of His Word-and Will.

 

With blessings, in Him,

 

Daniel Krynauw

 

Pastor: Pattaya International Church

Daniel & Marina Krynauw

krynauwdm@gmail.com

www.pattayainternationalchurch.org

Cellphone: 089-235-8912

21 / 1   Soi 61

Sukhumvit Road

Central Pattaya

PATTAYA

20150

Chonburi Province

THAILAND

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Mon, 4 Dec 2017 02:01:23 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Re: Pattaya International Church.

 

Hi there Daniel,

 

Sorry, I did not seek an argument regarding the reality of churchianity. My evidence-based observations, in honesty, simply must conclude that the vast majority of churches are unwelcoming, explicitly banishing, implicitly banishing, or covertly banishing. So, when I make a simple statement such as, for example "Most churches are hostile against Torsten.", it is a solidly substantiated observation. We may not like the evidenced facts, but a fact remains a fact until the fact changes, for example that the proportion of hostile churches would change. There exists a tendency within Churchianity to hide internal problems and to deny all uncomfortable truths, instead of accepting the uncomfortable facts/evidence/truth so that a process of repentance can begin. The statement "Most churches are hostile against Torsten." is an evidenced fact, and since none of those hostile churches can justify their hostility, and because none of those hostile churches repent, it is Biblically justifiable to warn regarding their conduct. When someone challenges a simple but solidly substantiated and evidential fact, such as the statement "Most churches are hostile against Torsten.", then one should be prepared to accept correction by the evidence.

 

Fact: I contacted more then 300 churches in Cape Town with surroundings.

Fact: At least 200 of the more than 300 churches in Cape Town received my communication inquiry.

Fact: The vast majority (approximately 97%) of the around 200 churches in Cape Town who actually received my communication inquiry, refused to welcome.

Fact: Some of the approximately 97% of unwelcoming (hostile) churches in Cape Town explicitly banished Torsten.

 

Anyways, I am certain that these realities were not what you wanted to hear. But I am not in the business of pleasing people with what they want to hear, but with what they need to hear.

 

My sympathies are with the financially exploited black people of South Africa. There is yet no national minimum wage for human resources in SA. In conjunction with person-to-person evangelism in CT, so many coloured people told me "Just give me money instead." Initially I felt a bit offended. But then I began to see from their perspective - the greedy exploitation of the people. Injustice. God sees it.

 

All the best,

 

Torsten

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Sun, 3 Dec 2017 23:28:19 +0700

From:

Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

To:

torsten@nenzen.net

Subject:

Pattaya International Church.

 

Good to hear about your time in Cape Town, Torsten. However, I neither appreciate nor identify with your "CT churches were typically hostile - as everywhere" comment. Such observation by itself is hostile and therefore not helpful at all for the edification of Christ's Body. None of God's children are perfect - we are all in the lifelong process of being perfected by Him. Furthermore, because a Congregation is, as is Biblically instructed, not "open to anything suggested by anyone who walks through its doors" is by no means whatsoever an indication of "hostility." Let us rather be cautious in our judgment, being reminded by God's Holy Spirit Who dwells within us that the Lord will use the same measurement with which we judge others in His judgment of us.

 

Anne is leading our Young Adults Group. It will be more profitable to experience our Congregation in-person, Torsten - that will be the best way to answer your enquiries.

 

With blessings, in Christ,

 

Daniel Krynauw

 

Pastor: Pattaya International Church

Daniel & Marina Krynauw

krynauwdm@gmail.com

www.pattayainternationalchurch.org

Cellphone: 089-235-8912

21 / 1   Soi 61

Sukhumvit Road

Central Pattaya

PATTAYA

20150

Chonburi Province

THAILAND

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Sun, 3 Dec 2017 22:05:18 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

Subject:

Re: Pattaya International Church

 

Dear Daniel Krynauw,

 

Thank you for replying. I intend to visit.

 

Sounds great that you head back to Cape Town for the season. I spent three months in CT earlier this year, enjoying Gardens and Sea Point as bases for sidewalk evangelism. Sea Point has a wonderful Messianic community. Otherwise, the CT churches were typically hostile - as everywhere. Enjoy your time back there.

 

By the way, who leads your Young Adults group? Is it a dynamic and relational group?

 

Kind regards,

 

Torsten

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Sun, 3 Dec 2017 20:07:10 +0700

From:

Daniel Krynauw <krynauwdm@gmail.com>

To:

torsten@nenzen.net

Subject:

Pattaya International Church

 

Dear Torsten:

 

Thank you for your (hereunder attached) email of today.

 

Our (above) website provides details of our Church' ministries and activities, including our Young Adults Group.

 

As indicated our Sunday Service (English) is at 10.30am. Soi 61 is opposite the large "King Power" duty free shop on Sukhumvit Road, Central Pattaya.

 

My family and I will be on furlough in Cape Town from December 5th, arriving back here in Pattaya on January 18th, God-willing. During this time PIC will be taken care of by the Elders on our Church Board. Our Monday-evening Prayer Meetings and Thursday Bible Studies will be temporarily postponed until our return to Pattaya. Our Sunday services will continue as usual.

 

With blessings, in Christ,

 

Daniel Krynauw

 

Pastor: Pattaya International Church

Daniel & Marina Krynauw

krynauwdm@gmail.com

www.pattayainternationalchurch.org

Cellphone: 089-235-8912

21 / 1   Soi 61

Sukhumvit Road

Central Pattaya

PATTAYA

20150

Chonburi Province

THAILAND

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date:

Sun, 3 Dec 2017 15:55:05 +0700

From:

torsten@nenzen.net <torsten@nenzen.org>

To:

Pastor@pattayainternationalchurch.org

Subject:

Christian relationships.

 

Pattaya International Church.

 

Hi.

 

I am a Christian, now staying here in Chonburi and Pattaya City.

 

I seek a Christian community in Pattaya / Chonburi where there is opportunity to fellowship and socialise. As I am single, I would like to develop friendships, also, with other Christian singles.

 

Are there occasions of fellowship in your congregation where also younger career adult Christians gather and communicate? Are there fellowship groups, community groups, cell groups or small groups in your church where to also develop friendships?

 

When and where do you meet on Sundays?

 

Best regards,

 

Torsten Nenzén

torsten@nenzen.net