Devilish pastors of “Evangelical Church of Bangkok” (ECB) in Thailand, discriminatorily and aggressively confronted an innocent Christian who was standing peacefully by himself. The Christian was hoping to socialise with other people who were in the same area of the church compound at the same time. The pastors of ECB declared that they were specifically watching this individual Christian due to ECB concern over this Christian’s mentality, and hindered the Christian from socialising due to ECB concern for other people.

(http://www.ecb.asia)

(http://www.cmalliance.org)

Evangelical Church of Bangkok (ECB) in Thailand, discriminatorily hindered an innocent Christian from socialising. The Christian is absolutely innocent in relation to all the hundreds of churches that previously have excommunicated the same Christian. Torsten, the Christian, has previously contacted ECB individually to inquire about occasions where also single Christians might find opportunity to socialise with other single Christians.

On Sunday morning November 9, 2014, I entered the church compound of the Evangelical Church of Bangkok (ECB). I had arrived early to their so-called second “service” which was scheduled at 11:15 am. I walked towards the church’s outdoors stalls with their sales of various church-related products and handicrafts and tables of church-related information. I then briefly walked along the rows of tables to view their business items from a distance, and eventually I placed myself standing firmly in one strategic social spot - across the main entrance to one side of me with the tables of products on the opposite and adjacent sides of me. Therefore, any person who would intend to transition between the main entrance and the tables would encounter me there, at a maximum distance of a few meters.

No person greeted. Many church-people walked past me where I stood, but not even one person said a simple hello. After I had stood still alone in the same vulnerable position for more than 30 minutes, a person wearing their church’s black polo shirt on-duty uniform approached me. In an unfriendly and authoritative voice, the on-duty uniformed man bluntly asked “Are you going to attend the service?” pointing towards the church building entrance. The tone of voice for his question was not friendly, but was authoritative. By the tone of his voice, he was not authentically inquiring, but he was authoritatively directing.

The Pastoral Associate Sang Chanyaputhipong who authoritatively and aggressively approached me where I was standing peacefully, then provocatively stated that he was going to keep an eye on me “I am watching you.” In recognition of yet another typically hostile church leader of a church, I took out my mobile phone to record the conversation. The Pastoral Associate Sang Chanyaputhipong then stated “If you are not here to go to the service then I’d like to invite you to leave.” and he then alluded that I had a mental problem capable of doing something undesirable or dangerous (like talking with other people) “Your mentality, or your position right now to … I don’t know, you’re very forceful right now.” Sang Chanyaputhipong then abruptly left me.

The pastoral associate Sang Chanyaputhipong later returned towards me together with their executive pastor Mark Patterson. Although both Sang Chanyaputhipong and Mark Patterson did not initially say that they had pre-conceived judgements of who I am, both acted towards me in a manner which was unjustifiably antagonistic. Later in conversation, the two pastors acknowledged that they did recognize me, and after pressuring Mark Patterson further with my repeated questions, it was possible to also squeeze out of him a bit of the truth: that he and ECB actually were in a targeted way discriminating in their approach against me because of my specific situation, and that he and ECB in fact did view me as a danger to some degree to other people, as he declared “We need to be concerned about the whole body here.”

For more than one year prior to the ECB Excutive Pastor’s ultimatum to either attend their so-called “service” or to leave their church, on Sunday November 9, 2014, both the executive pastor Mark Patterson (mark@ecb.asia) and his associate Sang Chanyaputhipong (sang@ecb.asia) had received my bi-monthly prayer report. Also the ECB office staff (office@ecb.asia) and their ECB so-called life groups (lifegroups@ecb.asia) knew perfectly well, that I had inquired about social opportunities where people are permitted to talk with each other.

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Partial TRANSCRIPTS of audio recordings:

Time: Sunday November 9, 2014 after commencement of the ECB public “worship”

Location: Torsten stood silently and alone on ECB church property near the church building entrance. A few other people who appeared to not be in any official function were still lingering in the same area where Torsten stood.

Sang Chanyaputhipong: is a pastoral associate at ECB. Sang had received Torsten’s bi-monthly prayer-report and plea for a welcoming church during the past year.

Mark Patterson: is the executive pastor of ECB. Mark Patterson had emailed to Torsten administrative platitudes in response to Torsten’s individually addressed inquiry regarding social opportunities among their ‘Christians’ at ECB. Mark Patterson had also received Torsten’s bi-monthly prayer-report and plea for a welcoming church during tha past year.

Torsten Nenzén: is a visitor who is absolutely innocent to all excommunications by all churches

Audio recording 1 of Sang Chanyaputhipong (2 min):

(AMR)  http://www.kyrkor.be/Evangelical-Church-Bangkok-Sang-Chanyaputhipong-141109.amr

(MP3)  http://www.kyrkor.be/Evangelical-Church-Bangkok-Sang-Chanyaputhipong-141109.mp3

Audio recording 2 of Mark-Patterson (8 min):

(AMR)  http://www.kyrkor.be/Evangelical-Church-Bangkok-Mark-Patterson-141109.amr

(MP3)  http://www.kyrkor.be/Evangelical-Church-Bangkok-Mark-Patterson-141109.mp3

[On Sunday morning 2014-11-09 Torsten walked onto the ECB church compound, walked past the church parking lot inside the compound, and walked towards the church auditorium entrance. Outside the church building main entrance, Torsten positioned himself strategically so that Torsten would be most easily approachable for conversations. Eventually the “service” began at 11:15 am, and the number of persons surrounding Torsten decreased. At no point during the approximately 30 minutes that Torsten had remained on the church premises did any person greet Torsten. No human on the church property would even say a simple “hello”. After the approximate 30-minute dehumanising non-conversation stance on the church property, with lots of church-people walking past Torsten but none who would greet, or smile, or talk, or befriend in the simplest of ways, Torsten noticed a man walking deliberately towards Torsten. In an unfriendly and authoritative voice, the man said “Are you going to the service?” and “Are you waiting for someone?” By the tone of voice and by the body language, neither the two formal questions expressed a genuinely interrogative intent, but clearly communicated a disapproval of Torsten’s vulnerable stance towards social interaction outdoors during their pastor’s preaching indoors. The man who had walked up to Torsten was an ECB pastoral associate named Sang. When Torsten did not satisfy Sang’s interrogatively disguised demand that Torsten should stop being socially available and instead sit and listen to his pastor’s so-called “service”, Sang told Torsten “I am watching you.” Because of Sang’s antagonistic declaration “I am watching you.”, as though Torsten would constitute some sort of danger, Torsten took out his mobile phone and commenced a voice recording of the antagonistic church representative. The following conversation then took place.]

Partial Transcript of recording 1:

[…]

TORSTEN:    Why are you watching me?

SANG:    […] My job here is to care for the sheep. […] If you are not here to go to the service then I’d like to invite you to leave.

TORSTEN:    So if I don’t enter the building where your pastor is preaching, then I have to leave, is that what you’re saying?

SANG:    Well, unless you just want to sit here and read or do something.

TORSTEN:    But I’m not allowed to stand here?

SANG:    Yes you are allowed to stand here.

TORSTEN:    So what’s your concern about standing here?

SANG:    Just because of your position, your mentality, or your position right now to … I don’t know, you’re very forceful right now. Do you sense that?

TORSTEN:    No. Excuse me sir, but you’re being forceful and provocative.

[Sang prevented himself from uttering the true reason of his intervention against Torsten, as by a potential slip of the tongue, when Sang was asked to explain his concern about Torsten standing available for social interaction. Sang stopped short of the full truth of his reason to intervene against Torsten, as he said “Your mentality, or you position right now to …” Possibly, he was about to say something about his groundless fears similar to what many other pastors of churches have explicitly expressed against Torsten; expressing fears that Torsten might begin to talk with single women.]

[Sang then rudely walked away from the conversation that he antagonistically initiated at Torsten. Torsten remained standing in exactly the same spot. After a few minutes, Torsten noticed Sang and another man talking with each other on a cement step in front of the church building entrance. Later, the two men left the cement platform together and both walked directly and purposefully towards Torsten. When both men had stopped immediately in front of Torsten, Torsten said to the two men “Wait.” as Torsten took out his mobile phone again from his pocket and initiated a second voice recording. The following conversation transpired.]

Partial Transcript of recording 2:

[…]

MARK PATTERSON:    I’m just approaching to see if we can assist you with something. At this time we have a worship service in progress. And we would ask you here to attend the worship service, or, not to be here at this time. This is not a time to hang around.

TORSTEN:    Actually, I look around, and there’s a lot of people hanging around.

MARK PATTERSON:    Because these people are serving with these ministries we are with right now.

[…]

TORSTEN:    So your so-called service are twice a week, is it?

MARK PATTERSON:    Sunday morning gathering, yes.

TORSTEN:    What happens the rest of the week?

MARK PATTERSON:    Uhm, can I ask the purpose of you asking these questions?

TORSTEN:    I’m asking about your mindset – your theology of service, so-called ‘service’.

MARK PATTERSON:    Well, I would suggest that if you want to know that, you would arrange to set up an appointment to speak with one of our pastors during the week.

TORSTEN:    It’s a simple question. If you are theologically edified then you would be able to answer that question.

[…]

TORSTEN:    Actually, it takes ten seconds to answer that question. Is that too difficult for you?

MARK PATTERSON:    Yes it is.

[Service = any Holy Spirit-empowered ministration (diakonia) and worship (latreia) of God. Christian service is 24/7 and 365. (Rom.12:1)]

TORSTEN:    So you don’t know the definition of ‘service’ of God’s Kingdom?

MARK PATTERSON:    Sure I do. I’m gonna ask you now: Could you please transition into our worship service or I would ask you not to be here at this time.

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TORSTEN:    What is your objection to the fact that standing here?

MARK PATTERSON:    Because, this is a very public place where people transition all the time. And it’s the same request we make of anyone who is just standing in place, and I use the term ‘hanging around’ doing things like that.

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TORSTEN:    People are not allowed to stand in the meantime of your so-called service.

MARK PATTERSON:    No I wouldn’t say that.

TORSTEN:    What is it you’re saying?

MARK PATTERSON:    I’m saying to YOU: I would ask you to go to our worship service or that you please leave.

MARK PATTERSON:    By the nature of your questioning to us, and being, in my interpretation, antagonistic towards me right at this point, and in my conversation with Sang earlier in the same line of questioning, that: could you please attend the service or please leave.

TORSTEN:    Well actually, no person in your congregation said hello. So I stood, and remained, and just observed if anyone in your so-called church was going to say hello. No one did. This pastor called Sang came up, and in a provocative way saying “Are you gonna go that service?” pointing towards …

MARK PATTERSON:    Well I did not observe him approach …

TORSTEN:    Well I did observe him.

[…]

TORSTEN:    When both of you approach in that manner – that’s a provocation.

MARK PATTERSON:    Let me put it this then. I’ll say this to YOU: in your specific situation. I’ve asked you to attend the service or please leave. I’m aware of some of you because I’ve received you emails. Some of your communications. I receive your emails. And if you would like to talk further about it, I’m requesting that you set an appointment to do that, or could you please attend the service, or leave.

TORSTEN:    Right! Then you do know who I am. What is my name?

MARK PATTERSON:    I believe the first name is Torsten.

TORSTEN:    That’s correct. This is a biased approach from you.

MARK PATTERSON:    No it’s not.

[…]

TORSTEN:    You only service God during 1½ hr slots, twice a week. Is that correct?

MARK PATTERSON:    No that would not be correct.

[…]

MARK PATTERSON:    Are you going to respect what I’ve asked you to do, of either attending the service or leaving?

TORSTEN:    Do I respect your approach? Do I respect your discrimination of essentially asking me: you attend the service or leave? No, I do not respect you Sir.

[…]

TORSTEN:    Do you have an objection to that I stand here?

MARK PATTERSON:    Yes.

TORSTEN:    Ok, why do you have an objection?

MARK PATTERSON:    Because we need to be concerned about the whole body here.

TORSTEN:    And what is your concern about the whole body? What is your concern?

MARK PATTERSON:    I’m not prepared to go into that right now.

[Mark Patterson is probably expressing here, similarly to most other pastors of ‘Christian’ churches who have explicitly excommunicated Torsten in order to protect single females from talking to Torsten, that he is concerned about single females entering into communication with Torsten. In difference to the satanic pastors of churches who have explicitly excommunicated Torsten with the overt reason that Torsten is dangerous to single females, devilish Mark Patterson lacks courage to upfront reveal his reason for his covert discrimination against Torsten.]

TORSTEN:    Ok. So what is your fear? You’re fearing something. You have a concern.

MARK PATTERSON:    What is my fear?

TORSTEN:    Yeah. What is your concern?

MARK PATTERSON:    I don’t have fear.

TORSTEN:    Ok. What is your concern?

MARK PATTERSON:    My concern with you right now is perceived to be the antagonistic nature of what you’re doing.

TORSTEN:    What is MY antagonistic nature?

MARK PATTERSON:    Recording. Answering questions with questions. Continually coming towards us. When I hadn’t even hardly said a word to you, you had already come towards us. You have responded in such a way that I am simply asking: could you please attend the service or please leave the campus.

[Reality was the inverse of Mark Patterson’s words. Antagonistic/discriminatory conduct was openly initiated by the ECB approach of singling out Torsten, asking only him to not stand outside, and then stating “I am watching you.”, followed by a second targeted confrontation by both Mark and Sang.]

TORSTEN:    That’s not a normal procedure in any place – in any public place. Where two people approach, as if operating as military operatives, saying either you attend our meeting now or you get out! That’s essentially what you’re saying. Because we have a pre-judgement about who you are -- Torsten!

[…]

TORSTEN:    Obviously, I’m just standing here peacefully. And you’re approaching me aggressively.

MARK PATTERSON:    Right. Because, this is a place where we have asked that at this point in time people either attend the worship service, or they have some other purpose here. We do not deem that you have another purpose here at this time. So I’m asking you to either attend …

TORSTEN:    I do have a purpose here.

MARK PATTERSON:    What’s your purpose to be here then?

TORSTEN:    That I will not conceal [reveal] to you.

[Torsten’s primary purpose in visiting any church on earth is relational. I can pray, praise, worship, serve and be edified by the Scriptures alone. However, I cannot fellowship with other followers of Jesus Christ alone. And, I cannot marry myself. Neither God nor I want that I remain unmarried. Mark Patterson and Sang who have both received my bi-monthly prayer-report and plea to be allowed to socialise within a church already knew this purpose, and precisely therefore ECB covertly discriminated Torsten from socialising.]

MARK PATTERSON:    Then I need to ask you to either enter the service or to leave please.

TORSTEN:    I don’t respect your request.

MARK PATTERSON:    Ok. Could you answer this question for me then: Are you saying you will not leave, or you will not attend service at this time?

TORSTEN:    That is correct.

MARK PATTERSON:    Ok. Thank-you. Our conversation is over.

[The two ECB staff who authoritatively, provocatively, covert discriminatorily, and simultaneously approached me, Sang Chanyaputhipong and Mark Patterson, finally walked away from Torsten. Torsten remained standing in the same spot for another few minutes to observe if the ECB pastors would initiate another confrontation against Torsten. Some minutes later when the time was 12:00 (noon) sharp, Torsten left the area opposite to the auditorium entrance, and walked towards the church compound exit. Torsten checked over his shoulder and saw that Torsten was followed by Sang Chanyaputhipong and another man. Torsten then stopped walking. The two men also stopped walking and they then leaned with their backs against the wall of an adjacent building. Torsten took out his mobile camera to take a photo of the apparent Torsten-stalkers: Sang and Aof. Torsten then continued to walk off the church property and into the safety of public property.]

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Two of the power-zealous staff at Evangelical Church of Bangkok, Tahiland, pastoral associate ‘Sang Chanyaputhipong’ together with ground staff ‘Aof’: http://www.kyrkor.be/ECB-Sang-and-Aof-2014-11-09.jpg

The Evangelical Church of Bangkok (ECB) is a church which belongs to the denomination Christian and Missionary Alliance. As reported summarily by the Wkipedia, also the denomination Christian and Missionary Alliance (C&MA) (http://www.cmalliance.org) had developed a habit of abusing children, during the 1980’s. Hopefully, the sexual abuse of children by the Christian and Missionary Alliance will have stopped. But certainly, the typically satanic behaviours of nearly all church leaders of all ‘Christian’ denominations continue, as described: “response was evasive, deceptive, and employed ‘stonewalling’ tactics” and “the only way [… to] get the [churches] to do anything was through the media”. Lying, slandering, evasion, deception, discrimination, excommunication against the innocent, and persecution against the innocent is the mainstream conduct of churchianity.

About the denomination ‘Christian and Missionary Alliance’ in Wikipedia:

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_and_Missionary_Alliance):

“began to write letters to C&MA headquarters informing leadership of systemic child abuse that occurred at the school. Phone calls and letter writing of this nature to the C&MA continued for ten years. The alumni have reported that the C&MA response was evasive, deceptive, and employed “stonewalling” tactics. Alumni were reportedly told that they should forgive, and that they would “hurt the name of Jesus” by coming forward. One alumnus has stated that “the only way that we could get the Alliance to do anything was through the media. It was only through shaming them by putting the truth out there”.

Some of the email dialogue with Evangelical Church of Bangkok (ECB) in Thailand is read chronologically from the bottom upwards beneath, with the most recent email at the top:

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Evangelical Church of Bangkok,

On Sunday Nov.9, 2014 I visited your so-called church, again.

Previous to that visit last Sunday morning, the ECB Leadership Team and Mark Patterson had emailed to me administrative platitudes regarding my individually addressed inquiry for social opportunities among ‘Christians’ at ECB, which by the totality of facts would be reasonably interpreted as a deliberate evasion of inclusion. Additional to the ECB evasion of inclusion, David King had explicitly emailed on Dec.13, 2013 to seek his personal exclusion from my plea for inclusion.

In light of the evidence of facts, I would like to know why ECB has covertly banned me from seeking to communicate with Christians at ECB.

Sang Chanyaputhipong warned that ECB will be watching me, and his asserted warning was tested and confirmed on Sunday Nov.9, 2014. The two staff of ECB, Sang and Aof, stalked me within the church compound. Both Mark Patterson and Sang Chanyaputhipong offered their ultimatum that I must either attend your so-called worship, or leave. While Mark Patterson forbade that I continue to stand peacefully, Sang Chanyaputhipong conditioned that only if I sit down and read may I remain on the church compound.

Why have ECB covertly banned me from talking or attempting to socialise with members of your church?

Regards,

Torsten Nenzen

Dear Mr. Nenzen,

Greetings in the name of Jesus. It’s a joy having you as a part of the ECB family.

Thank you for filling out a contact card at ECB this past Sunday. It is our hope that your worship experience was a meaningful one. While you did not check any boxes indicating your need for further details, we hope that you will feel free to contact us again should you have any questions about ECB and its ministry.

Grace and peace to you,

The ECB Leadership Team

Please unsubscribe.

Dear Pastor Mark,

Thanks for finally replying. I appreciate your care to respond.

May I please suggest something that will benefit others in future; please reply promptly to all forms of communications. The opportunity for your church and for me is long past. If your church had responded within 24 hours, then your church would follow expected protocol similar to many businesses. Why should churches be worse than most governments in regards to communication?

Blessings,

Torsten Nenzen

Dear Torsten,

Welcome to Bangkok!  Thank you for worshiping with us at ECB this past Sunday.  We trust your heart was encouraged in the presence of God and His people. 

Bangkok is an amazing city.  Living here provides many conveniences and many difficulties too.  Please let us know how we, at ECB, can provide help and encouragement during your days of transition here.

Following are a few general websites that you might want to look at to help you settle into life in Bangkok:

http://www.1stopbangkok.com/living/,

http://www.thailandguru.com/,

http://www.thai-language.com/.

In looking at your Contact Card, I noticed that you would like to know more about ECB's Life Group ministry.  Please know that a leader from the ministry should be in contact with you in the next few days.  If you have not heard from anyone by next week, kindly send me an email and we'll be sure to make the contact for you. Please let us know if you have further questions or need additional information.

Grace and peace to you,

Pastor Mark

Executive Pastor

www.ecb.asia

Evangelical Church of Bangkok,

Hi.

I am a Christian single man visiting here in Bangkok for some time. While I am here in Bangkok, I seek a Christian community where I also might find opportunities to fellowship, socialise, meet and talk with other Christian singles.

Are there opportunities in your congregation where also single Christians can meet and communicate - and build relationships?

Best regards,

Torsten Nenzén

Email: torsten@nenzen.net

Text messages: +46 707 77 77 54

Skype: blessisrael